Comments on: Failure of political strategy, lack of vision and poor planning leaves the aircraft carrier project facing more problems http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems Campaigning to reverse the decline in the Royal Navy Tue, 07 May 2013 12:39:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Gerainthttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6136 Geraint Fri, 01 Jun 2012 20:28:05 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6136 I could not agree more…….

Propulsion, armour, automation, configuration for aircraft, choice of aircraft, escorts – how much more could the MoD have got wrong?

]]> By: Roderick V. Louishttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6127 Roderick V. Louis Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:57:49 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6127 http://www.seapower-digital.com/seapower/spsample/#pg26

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/new-apg79-aesa-radars-for-super-hornets-0411/

]]> By: Roderick V. Louishttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6126 Roderick V. Louis Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:51:03 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6126 About the only possible constructive solution to this disaster is the US DoD/govt stepping in and ‘making the UK govt an offer it can’t refuse’:

->>> the US paying for- or providing loans for- the expedited installation of cats and traps to BOTH of the UK’s undergoing construction ‘big deck’ aircraft carriers…

AND

->>> the US lend-leasing to the UK sufficient numbers of new-build F-18 E/F naval fighter/bombers (with AESA radars) to FULLY equip BOTH of the UK’s planned carriers… with additional F-18s provided to the UK for training, redundancies, etc…

]]> By: Gerainthttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6101 Geraint Fri, 25 May 2012 22:16:45 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6101 Mr G Brown ensured we had the supercarriers, given the cancellation provisions, even as he reduced the defence expenditure!

The reversion to CATOBAR was the only sensible provision in the entire 2010 SDSR shambles…..

If we spent a sensible proportion of the Govt budget and/or GDP (and sorted out the shambles of MoD procurement, particularly BAe running rings around the MoD) on national defence, particularly if the banks had been properly regulated, we could easily have 2 x nuclear CATOBAR supercarriers + 12 Type 45s and an 8th Astute hunter killer.

But a society gets the politicians it deserves.

]]> By: Valhttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6024 Val Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:10:52 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6024 Regarding the BAE/RAF propagander. I’ve been told that with BAE saying the catapult arrestor fit will cost more than what is quoted, is to make sure the RN has less capability with the B spec and no room for acommadating other types of aircraft. This gives BAE what they with a more expensive and less capable aircraft, and the RAF get a potential replacement for the Typhoon and maintain themselves as the primary form of air defence. This has been said already, but is not seen as bad value for taxpayers money, unlike the MARs ships if they were built here. So what we are potentially getting is this, a less capable aircraft and bad value for money but the Government could be suckered into this (unless the are vested business interests here that want this to happen) and the MARs ships that could be a great spur for UK shipbuilding longer term, but because there is less profit for BAE, but can be built competitively in the UK, is to be built abroad under the main excuse of value for money and savings. It’s just crazy. BAE like the big numbers.

]]> By: Valhttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6023 Val Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:57:41 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6023 In all fairness, a lot of people are wrong. I don’t think Brown was even a friend of the military until recently. The same as just getting it, about real industry, when for along time it was just the banks and supermarkets. The fact remains, defence is woefully under financed. Black hole came about because of much under funding. I’m sure other department s with their own waste would of been found out if they had not had so much money thrown at them.

I do fear we may go through this ignorance again with the present lot, then when they get it, it’s all too late.

]]> By: Davehttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6022 Dave Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:43:34 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6022 “I don’t think a decision was made back then as to how and create jobs next to Brown’s constituency.”
A lot of people do.
Also now we are with out the 12 type 45′s the question rises will will be able to send the carriers out to see? As you go on a third out at sea, thrid in tranning and a thrid in refit, at any one time. This will mean more cuts elsewhere.

]]> By: Davehttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6021 Dave Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:28:46 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6021 If that is the case why have we not ordered an interceptor/air superiority fighter? TheF-35 is really designed because of its stealth capabilities for air defense penetration and for delivering precision guided munitions.

]]> By: Valhttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6016 Val Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:17:59 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6016 Of course you need carriers Dave, preferably with 12 Type 45s, 8 Astutes and 2 Ocean replacements. The carriers requirement go back to 1998 and various sites around the Country were mooted for final assembly and integration, Cammell Laird, Swan Hunter, Nigg, Belfast, Inchgreen etc. I don’t think a decision was made back then as to how and create jobs next to Brown’s constituency. It was not a defence review titled ‘The Strategic, How to keep Brown’s Seat Safe, Review’. Much of the building is being carried out around the Country from Appledore (Babcock), Portsmouth to Cammell Laird, A & P Tyne, Govan, and Rosyth (Babcock).

Although I would question the effeciency of building large pieces of ship hundreds of miles away from each other instead of a close cluster, say North East England and Rosyth, or North West with Cammell’s, Barrow, Belfast and Govan, many yards have had some work out of this.

I feel these ships could of been a great opportunity to show case UK industry. The carrier size, cost v capability look to compare well to other carriers, even after official meddling which has increased the costs.

]]> By: Ichabodhttp://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/failure-of-political-strategy-lack-of-vision-and-poor-planning-leaves-the-aircraft-carrier-project-facing-more-problems#comment-6014 Ichabod Sat, 28 Apr 2012 14:50:32 +0000 http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1511#comment-6014 Ships die without air cover, a carrier takes the umbrella with the fleet.

As an expeditionary airbase for the tasks we carry out in the post-Imperial world, carriers are the logical choice. The example is the US for whom the essence of their power overseas is expressed most clearly by the catapult carrier force.

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