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> <channel><title>Comments on: Good news on Royal Fleet Auxiliary tankers lost in controversy</title> <atom:link href="http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy</link> <description>Campaigning to reverse the decline in the Royal Navy</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:52:40 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: lazarette</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6428</link> <dc:creator>lazarette</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:47:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6428</guid> <description><![CDATA[&#039;Royal Navy has too few ships and people&#039;
The Royal Navy has been cut too far and does not have enough ships, submarines or people, David Cameron has been warned. Admiral Lord West, a former head of the Royal Navy, said that cuts imposed on the service were becoming dangerous for the UK.
&quot;We live on an island and more than 90 per cent of everything that goes to and from this country goes by sea,&quot; he wrote in an open letter to the Prime Minister and Defence Secretary Philip Hammond.
&quot;In this highly dangerous and chaotic world with the inevitability of strategic shock, I believe our nation is standing into danger.&quot; West, who is also a patron of the UK National Defence Association (UNKDA), enclosed a copy of an article in Warships International Fleet Review which asked if the navy had lost its critical mass. &quot;Ships and people are being worn out&quot;, the article by Francis Beaufort said, adding that &quot;the discarding of whole elements of maritime capability – including strike carriers, maritime patrol aircraft and Type 22 frigates – has knocked morale severely, particularly with thousands of highly skilled and experienced sailors being made redundant since 2010.&quot;
The navy was the worst his of all three services from military cuts seen under Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the current government, added Commander John Muxworthy, UKNDA chief executive.
&quot;We have too few surface ships in today&#039;s navy, too few submarines, too few aircraft, and too few people,&quot; he said.
&quot;Having watched the service shrink through ill-thought-out funding cuts, morale in the navy has taken a nosedive. The government claims it cannot afford to maintain force levels – but the reality is that we cannot afford not to.&quot;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Royal Navy has too few ships and people&#8217;<br
/> The Royal Navy has been cut too far and does not have enough ships, submarines or people, David Cameron has been warned. Admiral Lord West, a former head of the Royal Navy, said that cuts imposed on the service were becoming dangerous for the UK.<br
/> &#8220;We live on an island and more than 90 per cent of everything that goes to and from this country goes by sea,&#8221; he wrote in an open letter to the Prime Minister and Defence Secretary Philip Hammond.<br
/> &#8220;In this highly dangerous and chaotic world with the inevitability of strategic shock, I believe our nation is standing into danger.&#8221; West, who is also a patron of the UK National Defence Association (UNKDA), enclosed a copy of an article in Warships International Fleet Review which asked if the navy had lost its critical mass. &#8220;Ships and people are being worn out&#8221;, the article by Francis Beaufort said, adding that &#8220;the discarding of whole elements of maritime capability – including strike carriers, maritime patrol aircraft and Type 22 frigates – has knocked morale severely, particularly with thousands of highly skilled and experienced sailors being made redundant since 2010.&#8221;<br
/> The navy was the worst his of all three services from military cuts seen under Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and the current government, added Commander John Muxworthy, UKNDA chief executive.<br
/> &#8220;We have too few surface ships in today&#8217;s navy, too few submarines, too few aircraft, and too few people,&#8221; he said.<br
/> &#8220;Having watched the service shrink through ill-thought-out funding cuts, morale in the navy has taken a nosedive. The government claims it cannot afford to maintain force levels – but the reality is that we cannot afford not to.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lazarette</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6380</link> <dc:creator>lazarette</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:47:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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RFA personnel are a cheap form of nasalization  which subsidies the Royal Navy in general with patrols of sensitive areas and of a political nature I.e. the Falklands Islands. They are classed as merchant ships have a IMO numbers and have a port registration on the stern. The Naval fleet has been cut so drastically it cannot cover the UK commitments world wide  thus the RFA are used in certain areas to protect the UK interest and safe passage of her trade where commercial interest lie. The men and women are also able to belong to a union which helps with working conditions and pay as well as leave structures and legal issues that may arise to ones individual circumstance if an individual falls foul of any agreement of what is classed as a reasonable command.  The ships are classed as Armed Merchantmen.
The men and women of the RFA are a unique in the way they perform both military and merchant tasks which they do professionally, with good intentions.   They have to abide by the following regulations such as  RFA Company Policy, MoD policy, National Maritime Board Agreements and most of all the Naval disciplinary  code which is also a major factor for a civilian work force.  A very complex working environment which incorporates many safety factors that Merchant ships have to comply with.
Over the years since the Falklands conflict and the two gulf war conflicts and the many of issues within the Baltic regions the political stance of the RFA has changed. I note one readers comments that they signed to a reservist contract voluntary, this is not so, many signed under duress due to the way recent policy and political issues raised within the RFA service.  As you are a mutual paper I will not go into to much detail.
Just as what happened in the “Andrew” cut backs and moral has been deeply affected personnel of all ranks.
Many Ex RN personnel and other forces personnel have joined the RFA Service which RFA are will to take compared to the Merchant seafarer.  I have seen the changes and spoken to many who have serviced in the armed forces and the RFA and not is all bright as it is lead to believe.  The “Can do factor” and the” More for less” is the motto of indoctrination.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy" rel="nofollow">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy</a></p><p>RFA personnel are a cheap form of nasalization  which subsidies the Royal Navy in general with patrols of sensitive areas and of a political nature I.e. the Falklands Islands. They are classed as merchant ships have a IMO numbers and have a port registration on the stern. The Naval fleet has been cut so drastically it cannot cover the UK commitments world wide  thus the RFA are used in certain areas to protect the UK interest and safe passage of her trade where commercial interest lie. The men and women are also able to belong to a union which helps with working conditions and pay as well as leave structures and legal issues that may arise to ones individual circumstance if an individual falls foul of any agreement of what is classed as a reasonable command.  The ships are classed as Armed Merchantmen.</p><p> The men and women of the RFA are a unique in the way they perform both military and merchant tasks which they do professionally, with good intentions.   They have to abide by the following regulations such as  RFA Company Policy, MoD policy, National Maritime Board Agreements and most of all the Naval disciplinary  code which is also a major factor for a civilian work force.  A very complex working environment which incorporates many safety factors that Merchant ships have to comply with.</p><p>Over the years since the Falklands conflict and the two gulf war conflicts and the many of issues within the Baltic regions the political stance of the RFA has changed. I note one readers comments that they signed to a reservist contract voluntary, this is not so, many signed under duress due to the way recent policy and political issues raised within the RFA service.  As you are a mutual paper I will not go into to much detail.<br
/> Just as what happened in the “Andrew” cut backs and moral has been deeply affected personnel of all ranks.<br
/> Many Ex RN personnel and other forces personnel have joined the RFA Service which RFA are will to take compared to the Merchant seafarer.  I have seen the changes and spoken to many who have serviced in the armed forces and the RFA and not is all bright as it is lead to believe.  The “Can do factor” and the” More for less” is the motto of indoctrination.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave Leonard</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6301</link> <dc:creator>Dave Leonard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6301</guid> <description><![CDATA[The RFA vessels are owned and run by the MoD and registered British Merchant ships. They come under auspicious and legislation of the MCA and are manned by civilian personnel. Who are registered British Merchant Seafarers. They are also Voluntary Royal Naval Reservist among its personnel (Employees) which numbers are around 80%.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RFA vessels are owned and run by the MoD and registered British Merchant ships. They come under auspicious and legislation of the MCA and are manned by civilian personnel. Who are registered British Merchant Seafarers. They are also Voluntary Royal Naval Reservist among its personnel (Employees) which numbers are around 80%.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Allan</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6201</link> <dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6201</guid> <description><![CDATA[I served my apprenticeship on the  Tyne and mostly on RFA ships , we all felt betrayed and hurt by the way the government of the time let us down . We  took a pride in all ships but we had a special loyalty to the RFA and indeed there is still a lot of affection up here for the service .As for the shipyards being maxed out give us the orders supply the right equipment and THE right men and no one could turn out a better ship , after all it was a tyne yard that turned out the only Navy to come back from trials with nil defects JUST GIVE US A CHANCE]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I served my apprenticeship on the  Tyne and mostly on RFA ships , we all felt betrayed and hurt by the way the government of the time let us down . We  took a pride in all ships but we had a special loyalty to the RFA and indeed there is still a lot of affection up here for the service .As for the shipyards being maxed out give us the orders supply the right equipment and THE right men and no one could turn out a better ship , after all it was a tyne yard that turned out the only Navy to come back from trials with nil defects JUST GIVE US A CHANCE</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James Scott</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6197</link> <dc:creator>James Scott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6197</guid> <description><![CDATA[RFA&#039;s are not merchant ships, I am currently in the Royal Marines and have served on RFA&#039;s frequently, they are run more professionally than they&#039;re RN counterparts and they&#039;re crew don&#039;t like being referred to as merchant navy, it&#039;s true that they take far greater risks than the RN and thats why they are a respected member of our forces]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFA&#8217;s are not merchant ships, I am currently in the Royal Marines and have served on RFA&#8217;s frequently, they are run more professionally than they&#8217;re RN counterparts and they&#8217;re crew don&#8217;t like being referred to as merchant navy, it&#8217;s true that they take far greater risks than the RN and thats why they are a respected member of our forces</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6117</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6117</guid> <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve rushed these comments. My grammar is poor though.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve rushed these comments. My grammar is poor though.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6115</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:41:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6115</guid> <description><![CDATA[Rather the comments above.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather the comments above.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6114</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6114</guid> <description><![CDATA[The comment below, was a reply to Sir Humphrey.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment below, was a reply to Sir Humphrey.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Val</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6113</link> <dc:creator>Val</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6113</guid> <description><![CDATA[UK shipbuilding is not maxed out. The spreading out of the Carrier work all round the country, to give our yards some carrier work, is evidence of this. Much of this (MARS) was badly delayed. No program of build, with labour dithering. This country could have a healthy respectably/modest sized commercial shipbuilding industry, and these ships could of been the spur for this. This is money exported out of the UK. The simple fact is that the eu made it difficult to have a stable policy which was originally envisaged, which was a MOD/UK industry alliance partnership. Germany has not been affected by this, yet we have all the problems of this eu. The cost is small anyway, and no study into how competitive the UK could be has been made. Given equal facilties to Japan, Germany, France, Italy and a near equal in wages South Korea, many surprises could well come to surface. Having these ships built abroad is plain daft. There are more sinister issues here, and all the excuses, are just that. Our main yards were not given a chance, with odds stacked against them, and BAE taking out it&#039;s MARS capable yards, show&#039;s BAE&#039;s lack of interest, hence one reason they are unsuitable as shipbuilders.
A chance to re-balance the economy as with Sheffield Forgemasters and nuclear, and then with large train contracts, have been lost temporarily, and so to here with shipbuilding. Just building warships is not healthy for our yards either, it never encourages innovative and effecient shipbuilding as much as commercial shipbuilding does. It&#039;s strange that infrastructure projects are seen as good because it circulate money around the economy, and keep most of it in the UK. What&#039;s the difference between that, and building these ships? This investment could of aided more effecient shipbuilding, and some exports. Merely dissmissing UK shipbuilding, and assuming it cannot compete, is very pre 2007 thinking. The fact that a good design (albeit funded by BMT) and what can be a good product, has not benefitted UK shipyards is very sad. To sell ships to home or export, you need a good design, good product etc, and yes good labour with good facilites. When you have UK design houses working against UK yards, you have problems. I see a future where South Korean designers could well design these ships. If people think they are cheaper, could they not be cheaper in design, as this can account for over 10% of the build. If South Koreans can do everything cheaper, why not the project management, why not the contracts in electronics that the UK companies have been given (not affected (in fact protected), by the eu regs, unlike shipbuilding).]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK shipbuilding is not maxed out. The spreading out of the Carrier work all round the country, to give our yards some carrier work, is evidence of this. Much of this (MARS) was badly delayed. No program of build, with labour dithering. This country could have a healthy respectably/modest sized commercial shipbuilding industry, and these ships could of been the spur for this. This is money exported out of the UK. The simple fact is that the eu made it difficult to have a stable policy which was originally envisaged, which was a MOD/UK industry alliance partnership. Germany has not been affected by this, yet we have all the problems of this eu. The cost is small anyway, and no study into how competitive the UK could be has been made. Given equal facilties to Japan, Germany, France, Italy and a near equal in wages South Korea, many surprises could well come to surface. Having these ships built abroad is plain daft. There are more sinister issues here, and all the excuses, are just that. Our main yards were not given a chance, with odds stacked against them, and BAE taking out it&#8217;s MARS capable yards, show&#8217;s BAE&#8217;s lack of interest, hence one reason they are unsuitable as shipbuilders.</p><p>A chance to re-balance the economy as with Sheffield Forgemasters and nuclear, and then with large train contracts, have been lost temporarily, and so to here with shipbuilding. Just building warships is not healthy for our yards either, it never encourages innovative and effecient shipbuilding as much as commercial shipbuilding does. It&#8217;s strange that infrastructure projects are seen as good because it circulate money around the economy, and keep most of it in the UK. What&#8217;s the difference between that, and building these ships? This investment could of aided more effecient shipbuilding, and some exports. Merely dissmissing UK shipbuilding, and assuming it cannot compete, is very pre 2007 thinking. The fact that a good design (albeit funded by BMT) and what can be a good product, has not benefitted UK shipyards is very sad. To sell ships to home or export, you need a good design, good product etc, and yes good labour with good facilites. When you have UK design houses working against UK yards, you have problems. I see a future where South Korean designers could well design these ships. If people think they are cheaper, could they not be cheaper in design, as this can account for over 10% of the build. If South Koreans can do everything cheaper, why not the project management, why not the contracts in electronics that the UK companies have been given (not affected (in fact protected), by the eu regs, unlike shipbuilding).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ruth</title><link>http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/good-news-on-royal-fleet-auxiliary-tankers-lost-in-controversy#comment-6050</link> <dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/wordpress/?p=1467#comment-6050</guid> <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been on some of these ships (Fort Vic, Orangeleaf Fort Rosalie) and they are old and feeble great crew but poor ships. Our merchant navy personnel (that&#039;s who they are crewed by) do a sterling job in difficult circumstances and yes they are more at risk than the RN.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been on some of these ships (Fort Vic, Orangeleaf Fort Rosalie) and they are old and feeble great crew but poor ships. Our merchant navy personnel (that&#8217;s who they are crewed by) do a sterling job in difficult circumstances and yes they are more at risk than the RN.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>