The state of the Royal Navy today

The UK defence budget is still the 5th largest in the world and the Royal Navy remains in the front rank of the world’s navies. Government is committed to a multi-billion pound programme to provide new vessels and equipment. The RN is one of the few navies able to mount effective amphibious operations and has a broad range of capabilities. It is considered the best navy in the world in some areas of capability, particularly the high standards of its personnel and training. It is a world leader, notably in anti-submarine and mine warfare operations. It retains a fearsome reputation built on centuries of success in battle and remains the single most successful fighting force in history.

At first glance it may appear there are many good reasons for optimism about the Navy but closer study quickly reveals serious deficiencies that undermine its credibility as both a deterrent and a fighting force.

The UK defence budget has declined from over 4% of GDP in 1990 down to around the “NATO minimum” of 2% today. (The 2% figure is disingenuous because recent accounting changes have added spending on forces pensions and the security services to what is included.) While the public are more sympathetic and supportive to servicemen than ever, and this government claims to be focused on security, there is actually a lack of public and political will to properly fund the armed forces. During the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, the navy’s budget was the most squeezed. Now it has largest equipment budget of the three services, the RN, and the carriers in particular, are unfairly accused of “sucking up too much of defence funding”.

At times the Navy has lacked the guile to fight its corner and play the political games in Whitehall against vested interests, often losing out to the other services. Past RN public relations efforts have been underwhelming, although there has been a very marked improvement in communications, particularly in the last five years. Nevertheless much of the general public remains largely unaware what the Navy does for them. Further compounding the RN’s problems is the failure by British politicians to define strategic foreign policy goals and develop a properly funded and directed defence policy to match.

Although equipped with mostly modern and effective vessels, this does not mitigate for severely reduced numbers. However good a naval unit may be, it cannot be in two places at once, a particular problem for a navy with global ambition.

The 2015 “Strategic Defence and Security Review” (SDSR) delivered broadly good news for the RN, focusing on investment for the future, in marked contrast to the cuts and carnage of the previous review. Some of the damage done in 2010 will be repaired but a lot of the equipment will not be delivered for many years. Britain must fervently hope the RN can avoid being called into serious action until the mid-2020s when it may be better equipped.

The 2015 defence review was mostly positive for the RN but very much about ‘jam tomorrow’. Unfortunatley the optimism of 2015 has quickly evaporated as it has become clear the programme was never properly funded.

The fighting strength of the RN in 2017 is at a low point, still recovering from a swathe of ships, aircraft and people lost as a result of the 2010 defence review. There is a sense of expectation as the RN awaits the arrival of two new aircraft carriers and the F-35 (Lightning II) Joint Strike Fighter. There has been a minor delay to the expected delivery of HMS Queen Elizabeth but she is due to arrive in Portsmouth in 2017. The seven Astute class submarines are first rate boats but the programme has been exceptionally delayed and dogged with problems. This has left the RN reliant on ageing and maintenance-intensive Trafalgar class submarines. For at least one week in early 2017, the RN was unable to put a single attack submarine to sea. Even when up to full strength, the critically-important attack submarine force of 7 boats is simply not enough.

Now down to just 19 surface escorts, this number is totally inadequate even for the RN’s routine tasks and allows no contingency to replace combat losses, breakdowns or the unexpected. 5 new lightly-armed OPVs will be delivered by 2021 but they will simply replace 4 relatively modern OPVs currently in service, a net gain of just 1 vessel. The RN is not really interested in building corvettes or vessels without full range of fighting capability as part of its escort fleet. When the aircraft carriers come into service they will need escort vessels to make an effective carrier task group and these can only be provided by withdrawing ships from standing commitments.

The 2015 SDSR confirmed 8 Type 26 frigates will be built, instead of the 13 expected. Orders for long-lead items for the first 3 ships have been placed and construction on the Type 26 Frigate programme is finally due to begin in 2017. This delay and prevarication has created a real risk that Type 23 frigates will be going out of service in the early 2020s, without new ships ready to replace them. A surprise announcement in 2015 was the decision to build additional frigates of a cheaper and simpler design, possibly concurrently with the Type 26. The plan is to construct at least 5 of these alternative GPFF/Type 31 frigates to keep the escort fleet level at 19 vessels, with ‘an aspiration for more’. Quite what form these ships will take, and where they will be built remains subject to much speculation.

While the huge Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier project is very good news for the navy, some of their potential has been lost through political and inter-service interference. It is officially claimed that the decision to convert from a conventional carrier back to a VSTOL carrier ‘saved’ the project on cost grounds. There may have been short-term savings but capability and aircraft options were significantly reduced, their value now hinges almost entirely on the success of the F-35B aircraft. The very ambitious development of the F-35 has been controversial, colossally expensive and considerably delayed. Unfortunately, every problem encountered (quite normal in complex aircraft development) has been magnified by media and internet hysteria, but the F-35 will almost certainly eventually prove to be a very good aircraft. Despite some concerns about the carrier project, they have great potential for improvements and upgrades and are very valuable platforms that can provide great service for the nation for decades to come. SDSR 2015 confirmed  that at least 42 F-35Bs will be in service by 2023, with the MoD planning to buy up to 140 eventually, ending the constant silly jibes about “aircraft carriers with no aircraft”.

The overall financial situation for the MoD and the navy looks bleak. The weak pound will inflate the cost of planned foreign equipment purchases, particularly from the US and defence inflation continues to make major programmes even more expensive. Without further help from the Treasury, the MoD will have to find at least £1Bn savings each year for the next 10 years and it is rumoured the RN is already £500M short of what it needs for this year. Although barely begun, it is predicted that the ambitious Trident submarine replacement programme will consume all the £41Bn allocated, with costs likely to over-run.

There is a worrying lack of resilience in the fleet, with inadequate stocks of missiles, torpedoes and spares. Vessels regularly put to sea without a full complement of munitions and critical equipment is often rotated around ships. Although such a system may appear efficient in budgetary terms, an effective and credible navy needs flexibility and strength-in-depth to meet contingencies.

“The undeniable truth is that we are simply not spending enough on defence, and our sailors, soldiers and airmen are suffering in consequence” Col Bob Stewart

Waves of redundancies have left the RN with just 29,500 personnel and a lack of manpower is further diminishing its strength and resilience. This has created the familiar vicious circle where extra pressure lowers morale, causing more people to leave. The decline in warship numbers is the obvious effect of cuts but this ‘hollowing out’ of the Navy is just as serious, but conveniently hidden from public view. The crisis is particularly acute amongst technical ratings. In the last few years the RN has begun many initiatives in an attempt to stem resignations and aid recruitment. Regenerating manpower is challenging, particularly in competition with well paid civilian jobs. Wholly avoidable, this crisis was largely triggered by the foolish decisions made in 2010 and running the fleet too hard. The 2015 SDSR has given the RN a small uplift of 400 additional people. Together with internal redeployments and a plan to swap 300 officers for 600 ratings, theoretically RN will just about have enough personnel to man its future fleet. However, the manpower situation will be exceptionally tight and the planning depends on retaining its experienced people in the long-term. The unsustainable level of resignations has been reduced a little, but measures to improve retention remain a very high priority for the RN leadership. Recruitment targets in 2016 were not fully met and the RN is now around 2.3% below its liability (ie. the strength it is funded for and has agreed to maintain).

Overall the RN has some great capabilities with much good kit in the pipeline, but it lacks critical mass, has its eggs in a few very expensive baskets and is inadequately resourced for its current commitments, never mind the unexpected.

The RN has not only suffered from cuts to funding, but is also the victim of absurd industrial policy. Over the past three decades, governments have foolishly allowed the consolidation of competing defence contractors into a single giant corporation that can virtually dictate terms to the MoD. Despite the efforts of the new Single Source Regulations Office (SSRO), the MoD has limited options and has frequently signed off on poor deals for the taxpayer. The majority of MPs (with a few notable exceptions) and Ministers have little understanding of the forces and the Navy in particular. For them defence procurement is about ensuring there are jobs for their constituents, the real needs of the frontline are secondary considerations.

Despite having the world’s 5th largest defence budget, it is clear we are getting terrible value for money. British defence procurement has been plagued by waste, cock-ups and mismanagement over the last 40 years and the RN continues to suffer from this. There have been some success stories but most major warship, submarine or aircraft programme has delivered late and over budget. Although there has been a concerted attempt in the last few years to bring some order to MoD finances, there has been only limited progress in reducing the colossal waste and inefficiency in defence procurement.

There is a fundamental problem with lack of political courage to raise defence spending to match Britain’s stated ambitions and to counter proliferating threats. The carrier programme, Trident submarines and a new naval base in the Middle East all demonstrate the right kind of ambition, but inadequate funding threatens to undermine the whole fabric of the Navy and is in danger of making UK defence a laughing stock. For example, from 2018 lack of funds leaves the RN unable to field an anti-ship missile, and will in effect, be a navy unable to sink other warships. It is foolish to be investing very high-end kit, if it comes at the expense of fundamental capabilities. Brexit makes the highly regarded UK armed forces more important than ever and the global reach of the RN of assumes even greater importance. In addition, a resurgent Russia and a less certain US commitment to the defence of Europe, presents a growing danger to UK security.

Failure to properly resource the RN at this critical time is a strategic error on a grand scale.

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Varun Ananth

Very depressing state of affairs and I’m not even British.Not sure whether China is a huge consideration for the U.K, but with recent aggressive maneuvers in the South China Sea, can we depend on the RN to come to the aid of their Commonwealth allies? We all have our own navies, but the threat of a big power like the U.K or the U.S coming to our aid was quite instrumental in deterrence. Now the world knows of the capabilities offered and the U.K’s allies are scared. There must be other ways of reducing the budget deficit without taking it out on defence. Like trying to make a tiger fiercer by removing their claws and fangs….while breeding them smaller.


could anyone update me of how many decomissioned ships are alongside and rotting away in portsmouth and plymouth?


and no less than 12 submarines ‘laid up in devonport and rosyth, an utter disgrace,illustrious decommed, instead of being reactivated to over the ocean roll.
the bulwark and albion should be rearmed with additional weapon systems to make them ‘front line’ warships as platforms they are plentylarge enough

Joe Armstrong--USA

It is past time for the rn get off its ass and become the great navy it has always been. The mp’s need to get their heads out of thier asses and fund this great fighting force. Nelson is very upset with the current state of this magnificent ROYAL NAVY! You are the greatest navy to sail the 7 seas. You are a people of the seas start acting like it!!!! If you do not bring back the ROYAL NAVY to its high standards then ARGENTINA may take the FALKLANDS from you. JUST DO IT!!!

Jack Chapman

Having worked in the Royal Navy for 6 years and now no more, I can say that the Royal Navy is a disgrace, its run by people by a bunch of clueless admirals who do not know how to solve the problems that it faces, the navy is no longer a competitive employer as Civillian companies are offering up to double salary for the skills that the Navy gives you and you can have a far better balance of work/home. The Navy is no longer a dominant global force, we are a laughing stock throughout the world with our dwindling amount of ships and manpower problems, I know people who were told that they could reach PO/CPO in a few years leaving because the morale is low and deployments are longer and coming thick and fast. Also there are hundreds of Matelots sat in T23 Pool in Portsmouth and Plymouth doing the square root of f*** all they could be utilised for ships to give them a hand. The Navy needs a complete re-structure and the “top brass” need to face up to a reality that they will not be able to fulfil operations if they continue on this path.


I don’t believe we are a laughing stock, the state of the German Navy is closer to a comedy routine. With both carriers now established and the POW due to start trials next year, that will allow Britain to be a truly global player, especially in combination with other navies. All large organizations are perceived to be chaotic, but the Royal Navy is in a better place now, than it’s been for a long time. New frigates are being built and the Type 31 builder or builders will soon be announced. Also, the landing ships are now assured an extended life, which will enable the Marines to do their job effectively. And a seventh Astute guaranteed.

After Brexit, the Royal Navy will be extended and under growing pressure to support growing commitments to back up new trade deals with military support, most likely in a training role? Far Eastern deals will most likely include a naval commitment, to monitor the growing Chinese interests in the South China Seas. To be honest, the current fleet plans may have to be revisited with addition frigates being required, and the possibility, of permanently stationing of vessels overseas? The increased investment in UK overseas naval bases points to a more global thinking RN. No, the future is going to be very interesting and challenging for all British forces, but hopefully, people wont be laughing at our determination?.

Rosko Rockman

I cannot blame the fine sailors of the RN for the piss poor shape of the force. I blame the idiots who control the purse strings in Parliament. Seven fast attack boats, nineteen escorts, and a paltry number of support ships is not enough and it’s a shame. What they need is double the number ships as a start.


What a shame for a navy that once ruled the waves with a proud history. British leaders should be a shamed for letting so great an armed service whittle away to a joke. No the U.K. is not the world power it once was,born need a large navy like it once had. But to let a once famous and great defense service sink so low is truly sad.


Can somebody please explain to me why we continually spend so much money financing MOD Bureaucrat’s and private companies to design warships like the Type 26, which they tell us are the best in the world. and then not building them whilst the RN warship count continues to fall to dangerous levels? The more it goes on the more it looks like a cosy Political/Bureaucrat Gravy Train!


wasting billions on untried aircraft which are little different than’ souped up harriers, and scrimping on the carrier catapult is dim beyond belief, catapults would have enabled the super hornet or rafales to be bought and operated at half the cost of the f-35 programme. the navy is desperatly short of destroyers, and we’ve got one with plenty left to offer being used as a classroom!! 12 nuclear submarines’laid up’ in plymouth and rosyth, type 23’s sold to chile a ype 42(lancaster sitting in rotten row in pompey harbour, given a new weapon upgrade, could provide years more service, as much blamelies at the admiralty, as does the treasury.


I am sorry but what you are saying is absolutely totally false. There is no rotten row at Portsmouth or any where else for that matter. The ship you say is used as class room is presumably HMS Bristol, she is the only Type 82 destroyer built and is nearly 50 years old and is used as stationary training / accommodation ship. She is far to old to ever be activated. As far as the 12 submarines are concerned they are all of the RN’s decommissioned nuclear submarines, some 50 years or ver. They are stored waiting until the radiation levels in there internal reactors has naturally dropped enough to allow scrapping to start. They defiantly cannot ever be activated again. It seems you are trying to make mountains out of mole hills.


Modern realities generally mean a leaner force, the old argument went that each combatant was far more lethal the an older generation squadron. This no longer holds true as the latest designs put up for selection lack punch.
The two new carriers will be seen to have been a wrong direction for the RN.
First they should have built large US stlye assault ships equipped with f35 aicraft.
Second why carriers at all, the RN will suffer cash flow issues every year from now on. The RN hierarchy have not grasped the 21st century, which is one where the UK is no longer an empire, where tradition,loyalty count .
Take a trip to Dartmouth RN college, truely one hundred years behind.


I’ve been considering to join the Royal Navy as a Logistics Officer for a while now and reading the above article made me feel a bit wary about doing that. It’s a shame that the general public and politicians feel so disconnected from the Royal navy and it’s job. Weather or not they’re willing to accept that RN is needed as much as it always has been and neglecting it’s needs will cause nothing more than further degradation of the safety of the nation.

I would really like to have a chance to speak with a couple of long serving Navy personnel to get a ‘real’ view on what’s really going on with the navy.


855% of all british imports come by sea, the R.N. resembles a glorified coastguard service


What the Coastguard Service with 3 vessels to patrol the entire coastline? Yes the Navy seems to be heading that way too…

Patrick OBrian

That is a large purpose of the Navy. Nothing wrong with protecting British ships and trading ships. We need to see the benefits of a strong Navy promoting Britain in the commonwealth and the world. But the Navy is invisible. It needs a higher profile.


The key word here is “imports”. The trading nation shipping TO united kingdom surely must provide safe passage for ITS products. Why should we care if they get here or not. The UK is merely 22 miles from the continent, we even have a tunnel, being cut off is not an option.


I’d reconsider because you may lose your job before you’ve got it…


This article begins as if the Navy were still a combination of Nelson and WW2 fleets. Then as we go down the article we learn just how far this is not true… Why do writers on British military always beat the drums so loud at the beginning then end up saying…’well actually…’? If the Navy is a mess (b******d) then say so from the start and be honest and realistic. Flag waving with a limp… is no good to anyone.

David Deakin.

This excellent article “The State of the Royal Navy Today” really deserves the widest possible medial dissemination. A now retired octogenarian who was proud to spend 37 post war years in the Royal Navy, I am consumed with embarrassment and profound disappointment that the “Powers that be” have allowed our once great Service to deteriorate to its present parlous state. As recognised in the article, RN Public Relations have been non existent – whereas it is deployed as the main armament of the RAF to great effect.
We appear to have no naval strategy – just a vague piecemeal, disconnected and inadequate construction policy. The new carriers should have been fitted with “Cats & Traps” providing for the operation of a complete range of current and future sensibly priced aircraft and an ability to cross operate with our allies. The fact is that even in their present configuration we do not have sufficient personnel to man them, or indeed the necessary skills. On present planning there will not be anything like enough escort vessels to form the essential battlegroups, or protection of the associated underway RFA logistic support groups.
There was a time when the worldwide deployment of the Royal Navy served as the hallmark of British excellence. Such a resource will be sadly missed in the post BREXIT international marketplace. However, as a nation, we must heed the expression to “Cut one’s coat according to the Cloth”; being short of funds is one thing, but to allow what we have to be frittered away by ill informed, over ambitious politicians is inexcusable.

C Samuel

A very balanced comment. Until the public & politicians can be ‘allowed’ to know the state of the RN they will expect the excellence of the past. With the resources available to the RN the Admirals are unable to perform their tasks without considerable risks. It is interesting that the citizen is able to talk to policemen,politicians,teachers doctors, local government but not an Admiral suggests that MOD have ‘dirty linen’ to conceal. I fear that there will be no change until there is a ‘mid Staffs’ type crisis. The decay continues.


Today’s navy , what a joke. Did you know there are 6000 officers in the 30000 navy now. Get rid of 3000 officers and pay extra to technical ratings, same as divers.

G kearnon

Agreed. Part of the morale problem is the navies treatment of ratings.
The ratings are well aware of the different treatment of the wardroom to themselves. If the navy wants to save money fire every steward and, driver. Tech staff have always been treated as second class staff. Up their salary, issue proper civilian qualifications.

Montague Whaler

At the risk of stating the blindingly obvious:
When one, or both, carriers, and/or our amphibious units, are at sea there will be a need for a considerable Royal Fleet Auxiliary fleet train to maintain the requisite level of essential logistic support. Those various Task Groups will each clearly require several dedicated surface destroyers and frigates to protect them.

Making allowance for those of the remaining escorts which will be non operational for a variety of reasons, just how many other operational destroyers/frigates will then be available to go to sea to carry out the many other escorting duties that the Fleet will undoubtedly be called upon to conduct? Not enough, clearly. Surely someone must have done those very simple sums!

Are we now dependant upon the shrinking resources of other NATO nations to come to our aid – or is it just possible that they might have their own agendas?

This nation, through no particular fault of it’s own, has become ‘sea-blind’. Notwithstanding the fact that we are an island nation many people simply don’t seem to be aware of how much trade is carried by sea, how vulnerable that trade is to potential disruption, and just how dependent they could become upon the RN for the security of their food, gas and automotive fuel supplies, et al. Nor do they seem to be aware that the other armed services could be similarly dependent on those same sea lanes for their fuel supplies – and that without that fuel the army and air force could grind to halt, as indeed could the navy itself.
The only people who recognise all of that are those who are charged with being ‘a security for such as pass upon the seas upon their lawful occasions’. So why aren’t they doing something about it? If the RN has not got the resources to deal with any disruption to our trade it is not those countless politicians of all persuasions, who have harvested the low-fruit of destroyers and frigates endlessly, who will get the blame – it is the navy itself who will be pilloried for failing the nation. The public will not care ‘why’ – they will just point fingers and lay blame.

It’s no good just having Defence presentations to inner-circles on this matter – it’s the general public and the media – even politicians beyond the various Defence Committees – who need to be made more aware, and that has the promise of being a long tough job – but without public concern, and support for the more hulls, (not ‘replacement’ – ‘more’) the politicians will never provide the requisite funding.

All governments give ‘protection of the nation and it’s people’ as is it’s first priority, but that now seems to have become a hackneyed phrase that few believe anymore.
Isn’t it now time that senior people stopped ducking the issue and started publicly banging the table? Nothing of that which I have outlined above will be new to them, so why isn’t there any obvious activity on this front? Lord West is beginning to sound like a voice in the wilderness!

Alan Doig

Our politicians appear to have lost sight of the fact that we live on an island with worldwide commitments. A strong and efficient navy is essential. The highly complex and expensive Daring and Astute Class vessels appear to be unreliable and mostly unable to go to sea. Effective units have been scrapped far too early and the two Aircraft Carriers need for escorts would strip the ability of existing frigates and destroyers to fulfill obligations. The loss of one ship under these conditions would be disastrous. The reduction in personnel has lost skills and numbers to maintain ships at sea. We need to concentrate our defence on sea and air power rather than land forces, we cannot do everything. In the short term some smaller conventional ships with effective weapons for escort and patrol duties are an urgent requirement together with increasing personnel in both R.N. and Marines. More cooperation with the French in developing and purchasing common equipment and encouraging competition in UK shipbuilding would help.


The carriers were a dumb idea that has suicided the royal navy and the top brass are solely to blame. We could have had twice the number of astutes and t45’s all loaded to the gills with missiles and money left over to buy a few aegis bmd destroyers off the US .

That would have been a real navy with real projection and the US considering us as more than a token player , but no the clown school admirals wanted a carrier.

A national disgrace.

Gary Cole

How can we be the 5th largest defence spenders and STILL have nothing?? Less than 20 surface combat ships? No carriers for another two years or so? And then one of them might be put into mothballs ( o0r so I have heard). Just a total disgrace. We should ahve a Navy of at least 50 shipd and sail the seas again!

DH ex WO2

When I heard about the carriers being built I assumed a couple of things. We would make them nuclear powered (more room for aviation fuel) and they would use the tried and tested steam catapults.

Sadly neither came to pass. As a result we have missed an opportunity to refresh our nuclear operational skills and we have limited ourselves to the type of aircraft she can use.

The carrier would normally operate as part of a battle group. This will become more dependent on RFAs for refueling. Incidentally, do we have enough ships to form 2 such groups?


As long as the British government can orchestrate a foreign policy of physical agresion against militarily inferior states then the inadequacy of our equipment will not be exposed. Take on Russia, China or even North Korea and God help us. Surface platforms of any sofistication and “Smartness” are too slow ,ponderous and vulnerable to the speed of stand-off weapons. Navies in the 21st century are for the bath tub.

Far too soon G 20 countries and yes even the US of A will not be able to afford their navies ….. not one aircraft carrier or destroyer can stop what is going on now ….. meanwhile China with all the cash and cheap labour continues to grow …. and Russia to day continues to be a nuisance and threat. NATO has no teeth and it is only job security for ranking individuals and costly real estate. BTW defence contracts are now cash flows with no biting teeth ….. follow the money!


“The RN has not only suffered from cuts to funding, but is also the victim of absurd industrial policy. Over the past three decades, governments have foolishly allowed the consolidation of competing defence contractors into a single giant corporation that can virtually dictate terms to the MoD.”

The insane thing is this wasn’t merely allowed but FORCED by those past governments. Somehow it was thought that having all the defence contractors merged into a single company would make everything more efficient instead of merely removing any incentive for the contractor to keep costs down.


perhaps the ambition level should have been reassessed as less global intervention and more national defence . the reality is we have too many rule britania types harking back to days of empire when UK was a world super power. its time to cut the cloth especially at that stuff is more than a century ago. we simply do not have the budget to project power or protect two very vulnerable sitting duck aircraft carriers. procurement decisions seem to be made around jobs in partliamentry constituancies. Hence corbyns rathr strange remark about sending trident to sea without missiles, it protects the jobs. we will all of course remember teh folly of creating 26 major suppliers to BL in low emèployment areas….. the resultant logistics and strickes from 26 different labour agreements is one of the reason we no longer have an indiginous car industry.


The MOD is once again facing a budgetary black hole, with defence cuts likely to be announced soon. Also, the MOD is under pressure to get the biggest and highest profile bang for its pounds-post Brexit – the new QE carriers are a media god send for it in this regards.

The Army was largely insulated from Defence cuts from 2001 to 2010 due to Iraq & Afghanistan, with the RN and RAF taking almost all the hits – each reducing about a 30% reduction in size. However the Army has taken a big hit since then – about a 20% reduction in size to 80,000 personnel (still far more than the RAF, RN and RM combined).

An interesting decision facing the MOD is whether to transfer resources, manpower and funding from the Army to the RN and RAF. Okay, the Army has recently deployed a battle group of 800 soldiers to Estonia, but the vast bulk of the service is now in a low-key peace time mode, whilst the RN and RAF are in permanent overstretch.

Reducing the Army by 20,000 personnel would allow 5,000 to be added to both the RN/RM and RAF, solving their manpower crisis’. The other 10,000 would help to make up the implausible £2 bn annual “efficiency savings” that the MoD has apparently agreed with the Treasury. Of course the reduced British Army would then be unable to deploy a division to say Korea in a crisis.

David Hogan

My grandfather served and died in the service of the royal navy he would be shocked and stunned by the above information it is quite clear the politicians, public servants, and sea lords with no stomach to fight for the royal nave have destroyed it shame on them.

The British government as usual post misinformation to cover their lack of support for the defence of Great Britain. French war ships protecting a British carrier because they have insufficient escorts, Russian submarines in offshore waters able to do so because UK does not have marine patrol aircraft what a shambles I note that in past elections non of this has been picked up by the opposition, no doubt the labour opposition would sell the fleet to Russia.

Time to wake up to reality UK and rebuild a navy worthy of the title THE ROYAL NAVY


You only have to read the Roal Navy website…cookery competitions, ‘soccer’ matches with foreign navies, painting schools, pruning woodland..utter militarily irrelevant garbage. Astute class submarines colliding with rocks and ships (best attack submarine in the world?! Thresher the best training system?!) Few RN site posts now actually refer to the hardware, actual ships, as there are now so few of them. An utter, utter mess. Pray this nation will not need a fighting naval force anytime before 2030.

Graham kearnon

Total agreement here. I see the RN and, it’s sycophants are down to news and, photos of RFA ships. Nothing against the RFA but, we all know they were always just a byproduct of operations in the past. I served on an old carrier, mine hunter and a diesel sub non of which the navy was interested in promoting back in the 80s.

Cal Lawrence

Ever notice how the Royal Navy doesn’t do fleet reviews anymore? At most they just send a few ships as guests to other nations’ reviews. The Queen’s Golden Jubilee Fleet Review was cancelled on cost grounds, and there wasn’t even consideration of a Diamond Jubilee Fleet Review because a review with so few ships would’ve been an embarrassment to the Navy.


Corvette is a dirty word for the RN….even with all its problems the Swedish Visby class has the potential to make a mess of any aggressor to Sweden. Granted it wasnt equiped with everything the Swedish wanted like SAMs etc (there is still room for them) but they are well equiped for ASW/Mine operations with VD Sonar, ROVs and Torpedoes. Corvettes may not have a great range but using them as inteceptors frees up larger ships especially when the RN has a destroyer that cant sink ships. Why cant the RN have its own Visby to provide defence in depth?

Ian Hunter OBE

It would be good to see this useful article updated but BZ chaps!


Good read. I have to say, the most important part of the cog is the people part. The same type of managment that utterly failed the ratings are still in charge. The navies wardroom crowd have always looked down on any one in a technical branch and, unfortunatly this attitude played out in full during the redundancy phase. To this day the techies have not recovered.

The two aircraft carriers, what a colossal mistake. The navy claims it is needed to patrol trade routes around the world, well hate to ruin a great yarn but, carriers dont make great patrolers, just look at the gulf today. The uk is an island, as such it needs fast, nimble medium sized multi role vessels, old ton class mine hunters did many roles over its long career, cheap,small complement a real asset. The empire has gone, lets lose the same attitude, if one supplier is cut off there are always ALWAYS someone else to fill the need. The gulf supplies just 30% of world crude today, this is an ongoing reduction process ie UK needs to reduce its gulf supplies.

Who is sealord ?

William Haynie

I am a retired U. S. Marine, and trained with the British Royal Marines back in the 1980’s. They are second to none. Absolutely outstanding fighting force. It’s a shame their politicians are letting them down. Semper Fi, my brothers!

Jams O'Donnell

Wow! We wouldn’t be able to fight WWII any more. But the question has be: what do we want a navy for? Power(!) projection? Defence of our supply chain? Local defence? Etc.

Only by answering these questions (which are underlain by other questions such as – who are our allies, who will be our enemies? and Why? Who will be our economic partners? Who is it in our best (economic) interests to ally with? Etc. again.

Only after answering these questions (which should not be confused by reference to historic allies or enemies, etc.) can we decide how large the RN should be and what it should do.


This needs updating.

David Lines

I’ve always felt our strategy has been flawed because of a reluctance to accept we can no longer field a comprehensive naval force. It seems to me that if we focused upon amphibious warfare and special forces, we would be playing to our strengths and could offer a good contribution to a multi national force. The maintenance of Trident would be continued and the need for general purpose Frigates etc. reduced. To do this successfully we would need to cooperate more fully with NATO members, particularly the europeans and therein lies the dilemma. However you cut it we can no longer go it alone and there is no shame in that, unless we ignore it.


Todays navy is/was designed for a bygone era thats lost now. Todays UK needs a navy that protects local seas, why are there 2 carriers that are easy targets due to the aircraft limited range. I experienced what a carrier and, escorts have to take a chance on in the Falklands. We survived but, escorts were hit by lorry mounted exocets sitting on the beach. Thats 40 yrs ago technology.